(Announcements)

WINFREY: Brad Pitt is here. What is so interesting is that you have had these, you know, dashing good looks all of your life, and even--even when you were a little kid, a little boy, you were a dashing, good-looking little boy. Did you realize early on that the dashing good looks worked in your favor?

Mr. PITT: Well, you s--it--a serious question, yes?

WINFREY: Yes. Very serious.

Mr. PITT: You certainly--no, it's--it's--it's true. You certainly see--I was quite aware of certain advantages and disadvantages. And I saw things--I saw doors opening easier.

WINFREY: What would be the disadvantage? Really seriously.

Mr. PITT: Well, it gets hubris...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...is the disadvantage and not being tested properly. And I did see--I was quite--I was painfully aware of some doors opening where they didn't for others. And I would--I would ask my--my mother. My mom would come to our rooms, you know, when we were little and talk us to sleep. We'd talk for--you know, spend time, talk for a half-hour. And I remember asking her about this at a very young age, like, `Why isn't the world fair? Why is--why is it not fair?' And she said to me that it's not, but--but this means that you have more responsibility. And it's something that's always rung in my head and--and--and--anyways, that's...

WINFREY: That you have more responsibility?

Mr. PITT: There's the--there's the true answer.

WINFREY: Yeah, because you have more responsibility because...

Mr. PITT: How you handle it.

WINFREY: Yeah, because doors...

Mr. PITT: What you do with it.

WINFREY: ...can open for you, and people do respond to you differently.

Mr. PITT: That's right.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: And--and she was leading the way to help others as well. I was so moved. I--you guys saw Oprah's episode where she went to Africa? Yeah, just--really. That was good. I just saw that.

WINFREY: That was great. Yeah. But, you know, I think that's the constant challenge--that's the constant challenge no matter who you are, is to figure out how you can be used in the world...

Mr. PITT: I agree.

WINFREY: ...for something that's bigger than your own little life.

Mr. PITT: Where you fit. Where you can apply yourself.

WINFREY: Yeah. Yeah.

Mr. PITT: But that--that really inspired me and--and it sent me down some paths along those lines that--that I'm really...

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: ...I'm--I'm excited to get into.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: That's so--I--that's good.

Mr. PITT: It was--it was wonderful what you did. You--you--you--you brightened their lives for ev--no matter how brief, you brightened their lives.

WINFREY: Yeah. And I'm building a school...

Mr. PITT: You showed them som...

WINFREY: ...over there, too, so...

Mr. PITT: That's great. That's good. Really good.

WINFREY: Thanks, Brad. So Brad recently moved into--Brad and Jen moved into a huge new home that they gutted and renovated and I hear that you are--like, if you weren't doing this job, that you'd probably be an architect, is that true?

Mr. PITT: Yeah, I'm really gay about the whole thing, you know? I just--I can't keep my hands off of it. I'm really into it and--and I love architecture. It's just this huge art piece that you can be inside and have all these--I believe it lifts your soul and it affects your--your--your mind-set, you know, how much light comes in, how you see out, the freedom and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, yeah, I'm really into it, but this--this house that we got--it's big.

WINFREY: How big? How big?

Mr. PITT: It's so big I come home and I lose--I lose Jen. I can't find her. I'll come home and I'll go, `Jen! Jen!' I'll hear this, `I'm back here, here, here, here.' And there's two stairwells. So I'll go up one, I'll try to find her. Meanwhile, she's trying to find me. So we'll end up, like, for five minutes, like, chase--`Where?' `I'm back here, here, here, here,' chasing her, and then we'll meet up somewhere in the middle.

WINFREY: But isn't it the best thing, putting a house together? Isn't it the best?

Mr. PITT: Yeah. Yeah. It's...

WINFREY: It's the best.

Mr. PITT: ...well, it's all--it's--it's aggravating, too.

WINFREY: Yeah. Yeah. You get it. You get it. And so what's your favorite room in the house now?

Mr. PITT: Oh, I like the kitchen.

WINFREY: Yeah, you like the kitchen.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: Yeah, that's where we spend a lot of time.

WINFREY: Yeah. And so when you say you're involved architecturally, are you working with the architects? Are you deciding...

Mr. PITT: Yeah, I actually have a little group now of--who are actually licensed architects. I'm not. I'm a play architect.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: And--and...

WINFREY: Do you think you'd ever get licensed?

Mr. PITT: ...we've been taking commissions and we've since, like, worked on a hotel that probably won't get built because it's too expensive.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: But, yeah, yeah, I'll--I'm--I'm heading more that way certainly.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: So do you think you'd ever get licensed?

Mr. PITT: No.

WINFREY: Don't need to?

Mr. PITT: No. It's, like, 10 to 12 years to do that.

WINFREY: OK. Forget about it.

Mr. PITT: You can--yeah.

WINFREY: Do you guys--do you and Jen have the same taste in decorating?

Mr. PITT: No.

WINFREY: No. So how do you work that out?

Mr. PITT: We slug it out.

WINFREY: Slug it out.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: Marriage is--is--is--is an interesting process, ongoing, isn't it?

Mr. PITT: It's phenomenal.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: Yeah, it's phenomenal.

WINFREY: And I loved wh--hearing you say--at least I read this in the Vanity Fair article where you were saying that maybe it's not--maybe two people--the nature of two people is not meant to be with each other forever.

Mr. PITT: Well, I don't know. I don't--I'm not sure what I was talking about there actually...

WINFREY: OK. Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...actually, but there's just so much pressure on that from--from day one.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: And--and to me--to me or to Jen and I, it's always been about getting everything on the table and growing together...

WINFREY: What you said was--here it is in the PrompTer...

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: ...`We don't cage each other with this pressure of happily ever after. You figure it out as you go along. Jen and I always made a pact. We'll see where this is going. I'm not sure it really is our nature to be with someone for the rest of our lives, because you just made this pact. You keep going as long as you keep growing. When that dies, we do, but it constantly surprises me. It's good fun. We still have that friendship. We still'--is this sounding like you?

Mr. PITT: I guess so.

WINFREY: OK.

Mr. PITT: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

WINFREY: Blah, blah, blah. `We still have a good laugh.'

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: `We're good at getting bleep on the table, OK? And then she tells other people, and I get mad.' Does that sound like something you said?

Mr. PITT: `Then she tells other people I get mad.' Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's me. Yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: That's me, yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: That's me 'cause she'll tell, like--she'll tell, like, little personal arguments that we had in the--in the press or on shows and I'll go...

WINFREY: Oh, really?

Mr. PITT: ...`Why--why are you--don't take me out.'

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: `Take yourself out.'

WINFREY: OK. Or did you, like...

Mr. PITT: Yeah, but no, she's a riot. She's--she's--she's no-holds-barred. She's no secrets and fantastic that way.

WINFREY: Yeah. And she's a girl's girl. I hear she...

Mr. PITT: Yeah...

WINFREY: ...when I talked to...

Mr. PITT: ...she's a girl's girl.

WINFREY: ...when I talked to her--I did her for O magazine and she was saying sometimes she and her girlfriends get together and they just kind of howl at the moon.

Mr. PITT: I--I leave when this stuff goes on. But they do have a--yeah.

WINFREY: A howling good time?

Mr. PITT: Yeah, they--I don't know what goes on. I take off.

WINFREY: What is the best part about being who you are right now, 40, having finished this great epic film, sitting here now in Chicago, filming "Ocean's Twelve," having a movie coming out with Angelina Jolie? What is...

Mr. PITT: I would say first with getting to--to release the film, getting--you know, let it out of--to the public after so much work, being 40, just as I say I'm--I'm--I'm happy to be here, which is somewhat new. So you...

WINFREY: Yeah. Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...and...

WINFREY: It's new that you're happy to be here?

Mr. PITT: It--it--it--to some degree, yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah, really?

Mr. PITT: And then...

WINFREY: You want to, like, elaborate on that a little bit?

Mr. PITT: No, not really. Then--I'm--I'm a questioner. I always question everything to death.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: And much more, I guess, at peace about--no, I don't want to elaborate.

WINFREY: OK.

Mr. PITT: So--and then...

WINFREY: Boy, that would have been a good conversation.

Mr. PITT: Yeah. Yeah. We're moving on. And a great friendship...

WINFREY: We need a couple of margaritas for that. Yeah.

Mr. PITT: OK. Here we go.

WINFREY: Yeah. Gr--great friendship.

Mr. PITT: An extraordinary friendship with my wife and--and--and, yeah, now I'm with the lads starting--starting one with the lads.

WINFREY: Oh, good.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: Good. We'll be right back.

Mr. PITT: OK.

WINFREY: Coming up, more with Brad and the boys of "Troy," co-stars Eric Bana and Orlando Bloom.

(Announcements)

WINFREY: So we're here with Brad Pitt talking about his big new movie which you're going to want to see. You're going to want to see it. I'm not kidding you. Now I don't tell you-all to go see movies if I really don't believe it in it. See--if I'm interviewing somebody and I'm really not sure about the movie but I like them, I'll just go, `Oh, very nice,' you know? Have you noticed that in the past? I was, `Oh, that's very nice. Did you enjoy making the film?' No, but this movie, "Troy," is...

Mr. PITT: That was "Meet Joe Black," by the way. I was here.

WINFREY: No. Well, there is a difference between, you know--there is a difference between you really like the person, and the movie is--because it's a lot to tell people to get up, leave your home, go spend the money...

Mr. PITT: Sure.

WINFREY: ...find somebody to keep the children 'cause I would not take my children to see this film. I would not. Un--unless they are--no, I wouldn't. Un--no. You shouldn't take young children.

Mr. PITT: I'd take--yeah, OK.

WINFREY: Take young children.

Mr. PITT: OK.

WINFREY: Don't (makes stabbing motion).

OK. Do not take young children to see this film--OK?--which opens May 14th. Brad isn't the only heart-stopper, though, in the grand saga. He's not the only one. The man who plays his mighty archenemy is something to behold also. Behold. When Aussie Eric Bana began his career as a comedian, he never imagined he was destined to be a Hollywood leading man, but after winning international acclaim for his performance in an Australian indy called "Chopper," Tinseltown came a calling. He played opposite "Troy" co-star Orlando Bloom in "Black Hawk Down."

(Excerpt from "Black Hawk Down")

WINFREY: He then went on to star in "The Hulk" with Jennifer Connelly. Now he's about to wow audiences as the dashing Prince Hector of Troy. Please welcome Eric Bana! Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

Mr. ERIC BANA ("Troy"): Thank you.

WINFREY: Well, I was saying thank you. Thank you. As I was saying to you in the back, really extraordinary. Extraordinary work.

Mr. BANA: Oh, thank you.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. BANA: Thank you very much.

WINFREY: What was it like for you, this in--this experience?

Mr. BANA: Oh, it was--to put it in a nutshell, which--which sort of doesn't do the film justice, but it was like, you know, when you're a young kid and you dream about being an actor in motion pictures, this movie was like the--the definition of the ultimate experience, you know?

WINFREY: Yeah. This was really shocking to me. Brad and Eric did all of their own fighting.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: They did all of their own fighting. In their colossal battle scene, no stuntmen were used. It took 30 people three months to design this big fight between Brad and Eric, and they rehearsed four hours a day for eight weeks to get it just right. OK. Well, that--that's...

Mr. PITT: Not quite four hours but in terms of...

WINFREY: ...what was printed. OK. Not quite four.

Mr. BANA: It makes it sound fantastic, though. Just let it go.

WINFREY: No, well, how--how--tell--what was the real deal? What's the real deal?

Mr. BANA: Well, it was--it--it was extensive. You know, I started training back home in Australia about six months before we started shooting just like Brad and horse riding training and sword fighting.

WINFREY: Were you trying to get your buns tight, too?

Mr. PITT: Oprah.

WINFREY: OK. OK. OK. Never mind.

Mr. BANA: Well, we had to do what we had to do.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. BANA: You know, that's...

WINFREY: So is it true that you and Eric had--paid each other for injuries that happened in the fight scene?

Mr. PITT: We re--we had rehearsed this fight for a long time, and then we got--we shut down for a bit and then had to go back in December and finish this fight. And, you know, there's always the fear of--I mean, these--these things are--they're fake, but they still hurt. They hurt. So you've got to make sure you get out of the way. You've got to make sure we're--we're accurate, our--our sync, our timing's together. So we devised kind of an incentive not to take each other's heads off, that we would have to pay ea--whoever hit the other guy would have to pay him $50 for slight hits and $100 for heavy hits.

WINFREY: Who paid?

Mr. PITT: $750 to Eric. Wait. Wait. Wait. And I had to pay myself $200.

WINFREY: Because--well, first of all, ho--do you spend a lot of time--we were talking about the--the--the physical training, but learning to use swords and shields and all of that, I would think it would take some adjustment. Yeah.

Mr. PITT: Yeah. We--we have. Yeah. Really, I mean, if--if we started months before just getting the feel of it and getting your balance, and then into the film, which took six months and the very last thing we shot was this fight, which is one of my favorites.

Mr. BANA: Now we were so ready, Oprah. We were just, like, `If we take each other's head off, who cares. Let's just go for it.'

WINFREY: And so when you're doing this, are you thinking about--'cause it's a dance, really. It's a dance.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: It's a dance. We'll be right back.

Mr. PITT: OK.

WINFREY: Coming up, "Troy"'s other heart-stopper, Orlando Bloom, next.

(Announcements)

(Excerpt from "Troy")

WINFREY: Orlando Bloom. I'm here with the stars of "Troy," Brad Pitt and Eric Bana. Well, the other handsome lead warrior in "Troy" is Orlando Bloom. From "The Lord of the Rings" to "Pirates of the Caribbean," Orlando's building quite the blockbuster resume. Right now he's shooting his next movie in Morocco. Orlando.

Mr. ORLANDO BLOOM ("Troy"): Hello, Oprah. I'm really sorry I can't be with you guys today. I'm on the set of "Kingdom of Heaven" in Morocco, Ridley Scott's new film.

WINFREY: From halfway across the world, Orlando shared some behind-the-scenes memories from the making of "Troy."

Mr. BLOOM: The costumes, they were very short and very tight mostly. Funny enough, they were quite uncomfortable. They looked fantastic. Both Eric and I had these brass-looking plastic chest plates. I'm not sure what it was like for Eric, but for me, there was a lot of chafing actually, very uncomfortable, particularly when I was getting my ass handed to me by Brendan Gleeson. Can I say that on lunchtime TV? I hope so.

WINFREY: Lunchtime TV? Never heard that one before, and what about working with the other boys of "Troy"?

Mr. BLOOM: I've always been a huge fan of Brad's. So to work with him was a--was a real privilege. I do remember one surreal incident. We left this cast dinner on the streets in Malta and we walked out the door and a couple of flashbulbs went off. And then it was as if the whole of Malta ascended on Brad, and he was just so gracious and polite and full of humor. You know, it was just, like, `Wow, I hope'--it never gets that intense for me, and I've--and if it ever did, I'd have the same integrity I suppose. It was a real privilege to be sharing the screen with him. And--and I've worked with Eric before, and this time, I got to have Eric as my brother and I feel like he is a brother. He certainly ripped at me like an older brother. I'm sorry I couldn't be with you. I hope I can be there next time and take care. Bye-bye.

WINFREY: Orlando. Orlando Bloom, thank you. Well, let me just say, because the film is--we're talking about so many different aspects. We talked about Brad, the love scenes and then--it's multilayered. It's complex. You know, it's about honor and it's about passion and it's about love. It's about a lot of different--that's what's--that's why it's really a great film, don't you...

Mr. PITT: What it's really about, it's not, like--not, like, I'm--so many posters that come out and they always say, `It's about honor. It's about love.'

WINFREY: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it really is.

Mr. PITT: No, it really--it really gets into these issues. It's...

WINFREY: Yeah, didn't you...

Mr. PITT: ...really strong.

WINFREY: ...think, audience? Audience: Yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah. We'll be right back. Coming up, Brad on the "Friends" farewell.

(Announcements)

WINFREY: I'm here with the stars of "Troy," Brad Pitt and Eric Bana. "Friends" is ending, as we all know. Do you know what happens in the finale?

Mr. PITT: Two left, and I don't know. So don't tell me.

WINFREY: You know I don't know.

Mr. PITT: OK.

WINFREY: No.

Mr. PITT: No, I don't know that you don't.

WINFREY: No. And were you nervous when you were--when Jen was here, she said you were nervous when you did the "Friends"...

Mr. PITT: Yeah, I was more nervous doing that show than...

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: ...like anything else I've done. Yeah.

WINFREY: Why? Why?

Mr. PITT: I don't--'cause I'm such a fan of the show. I love this show, and suddenly I'm in it and--and I c--I c--I can't tell you. I don't know why, but I did.

WINFREY: Were you nervous because--because it was Jen?

Mr. PITT: Oh, I chunked my first line.

WINFREY: Yeah?

Mr. PITT: No, actually that was actually great fun with Jen. But I did chunk my first line. I had to go back and start over.

WINFREY: OK. We have the clip. Let's take a look.

Mr. PITT: Of the chunk?

WINFREY: No, I don't think of the chunk. No.

(Excerpt from "Friends")

WINFREY: And you were--you were a longtime fan of the show even before, you know...

Mr. PITT: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

WINFREY: ...before you were friends with...

Mr. PITT: Yes.

WINFREY: ...the friend.

Mr. PITT: Yes.

WINFREY: Yeah. Yeah. All right. Questions for Brad? Yeah. Yes, ma'am. Lady in blue.

Unidentified Woman: That "Friends" episode is by far my favorite. I've had it on TiVo for two and a half years now, saved. If anybody ever deletes it, I'll die.

Mr. PITT: TiVo changes your life, doesn't it?

WINFREY: Yeah, it does.

Unidentified Woman: I'm a spokesperson. Love it. What's the best and worse thing about working with your spouse?

Mr. PITT: There--I--well, there wasn't anything bad about it. It was fantastic. It was great fun.

Unidentified Woman: Nothing? What about conflicts working...

Mr. PITT: No, seriously, it's great fun. She really--she was more nervous for me than I was and kind of held my little hand through it and then we just and a laugh. It was great. Great.

Unidentified Woman: Thanks.

WINFREY: We'll be right back. Coming up, Brad like you've never seen him before.

(Announcements)

WINFREY: Here's something about Brad Pitt you may not know. Brad can sing, and we dug up an early film of Brad called...

Mr. PITT: Wait a second. Wait a second. For the record, Brad cannot sing.

WINFREY: OK. For the record?

Mr. PITT: For the record.

WINFREY: OK. Well, they dug up this early film called "Johnny Suede," OK?

Mr. PITT: Oh.

WINFREY: Let's take a look at this where he plays a...

Mr. PITT: So let's talk about...

(Excerpt from "Johnny Suede")

WINFREY: Oh, we'll be right back.

(Announcements)

WINFREY: Well, good luck with the film.

Mr. PITT: Thank you, Oprah.

WINFREY: I don't think you need a lot of luck, because we're all going to see it--I'm going to go see it again. I'm going to take Stedman. I'm going to take Stedman. .

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