HOST: Oprah Winfrey
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Ellen Rakieten
BRAD PITT

OPRAH WINFREY: An all-new

OPRAH, an exclusive, Brad Pitt. You know I adore your wife.

Mr. BRAD PITT ("Troy"): She's no-holds-barred. She's fantastic.

WINFREY: What's going to happen when you have babies? Rarely a week goes by where you and Jennifer are not in the tabloids.

Mr. PITT: Please, bring Ben and J. Lo back.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: Please.

WINFREY: This is what's amazing--your body. You could write a book right now called "Brad's Hard Butt." Who wouldn't want to spend the hour with Brad?

Mr. PITT: We just can't dodge that question, can we?

WINFREY: No, you can't. Next. Whoa! OK. All right. OK. I know you're ready. I know you're ready. I know you're ready. He's here, and I'm not going to make you wait one more second. Please welcome Brad Pitt! Sit down. Just let it be. Let it be.

Mr. PITT: They've got a couple of guys out there. That's good.

WINFREY: Oh, yeah.

Mr. PITT: Is that how loud they get on Oprah's Favorite Things?

WINFREY: Like that. Like that. Brad says it's like an Oprah's Favorite Things moment--yes--'cause--'cause you are a favorite person. Yes, you are. Are you--I--I have to tell you, I--I have to say that I've never seen a reaction like that in all of these years...

Mr. PITT: I know.

WINFREY: ...you know, where you can feel it coming up out of the floor. Has it--this has been happening to you, though, since the second grade, though, right?

Mr. PITT: No, no, no, no.

WINFREY: No, not quite.

Mr. PITT: No, not hardly.

WINFREY: No.

Mr. PITT: They used to let me sit out in the hall in second grade.

WINFREY: OK.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: Well, Brad's new epic movie, which you all saw--Right? You saw.

Mr. PITT: Did you guys see it? Good, good, good, you like. Good. OK.

WINFREY: OK. You're terrific.

Mr. PITT: Yes.

WINFREY: Yeah. Yeah, it's worth a standing ovation.

Mr. PITT: Oh.

WINFREY: It's worth a standing ovation. Worth a standing ovation. Worth a standing ovation. "Troy," which opens May 14th, is one of the most anticipated films of the year, and "Troy" is one of the most expensive films ever made. And when you see it, you'll understand--yeah, but you're going to make all the money back--you'll understand why Brad is smoking. Honor, war, passion--these are the themes of "Troy." Brad Pitt plays Achilles, the greatest warrior of all time.

(Excerpt from "Troy," courtesy Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.)

WINFREY: Orlando Bloom is Paris, the prince of Troy whose forbidden love for the great beauty, Helen, ignites a war of epic proportions. The mighty Prince Hector, played by Eric Bana, leads the fierce battle.

(Excerpt from "Troy")

WINFREY: Fires burn as love and war rage on. (Excerpt from "Troy")

WINFREY: It's great. The movie is great. The movie is--the movie is sensational.

Mr. PITT: Good. Thank you. I...

WINFREY: It's sensational. Sensational.

Mr. PITT: ...I'm really happy with it. I have a really strong fe...

WINFREY: Have you seen it?

Mr. PITT: I've seen it once. I saw it--a ro--a rough cut, and it's very complex and--and...

WINFREY: Isn't it?

Mr. PITT: ...it's a lot of movie.

WINFREY: A lot of movie.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: Well, this is what's amazing--your body.

Mr. PITT: Oh, stop.

WINFREY: No. Oh. Oh. Oh. OK. So ho--how...

Mr. PITT: Stop.

WINFREY: No, we can't stop, Brad. How did you tra--how did you train for that? I mean, that looked like a lot of prep--preparation.

Mr. PITT: Well, it was. I had a lot of time off. I hadn't worked for a couple of years. So I had, like, six months going into this thing. And it's--it's--all right.

WINFREY: Yeah. Mr. PITT: It sucked. It really--it's...

WINFREY: Yeah...

Mr. PITT: ...it--it was a lot of hard work.

WINFREY: ...'cause you quit smoking. You quit smoking?

Mr. PITT: Yeah, I did. Yeah. Don't. Don't. I started again, so...

WINFREY: You started--oh. So you--but you quit during the training?

Mr. PITT: But, no, it took a lot of work. It was--it was a half a day of training for, like, six months going in and...

WINFREY: What kind of training?

Mr. PITT: Weights and sword an--and, I mean, the body is pretty amazing. It will acclimate. It will do what you tell it it needs to do.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: And I told--I worked with a guy who knew a lot and he said, `If you want to get to where you want to get to for this thing, you have to--you have to put yourself in a place of discomfort every day. And so you just push through that, but it does...

WINFREY: So you were pushing to see how far you could--what you could get your body to do.

Mr. PITT: Yeah, I figured, `Hell, you know, I'm--I'm about to turn 40 and, you know, impending midlife crisis. So--let's go see...'

WINFREY: So you did it.

Mr. PITT: So I did it.

WINFREY: So you did it. I heard that when you were staying in Malta--you were in Malta that you're in this 300-year-old house and that you refused to have air conditioning.

Mr. PITT: Well, I--OK. This is where we get a little weird. We get a--we get--we get a little off the track, but it does help, because you want to--in a film like this with such--I mean, it's one of the great stories of all time and you want to get it right. And you've got to put yourself in--in that kind of tone or mood of the--of the times. And this guy was a very isolated character. So I--I adopted a kind of monastic life and I lived up in a stone house and--and it w--you know, I--it was a bit lonely at times, but it works.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: You get that extra few percent you need to...

WINFREY: Monastic meaning Jennifer was not coming to...

Mr. PITT: No, she came out.

WINFREY: OK.

Mr. PITT: She came out.

WINFREY: She did come out.

Mr. PITT: It wasn't that monastic.

WINFREY: It's wasn't that monastic.

Mr. PITT: No.

WINFREY: OK.

Mr. PITT: No, I got conjugal visits, yeah.

WINFREY: OK. Yeah. Very good. But--but I'd heard that there were times where Jen was looking at you like you were kind of out of your mind. Is that true?

Mr. PITT: Oh, well, that's normal, I guess. We t--yeah.

WINFREY: Because you sort of tried to put yourself in the zone.

Mr. PITT: You got to. You have to...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...with something like.

WINFREY: Yeah. And so I--I--I--you turn--didn't you turn 40 already? You turned 40 in December.

Mr. PITT: Yeah, I turned 40 in December.

WINFREY: OK. Well, how does that feel?

Mr. PITT: It's actually--it's--it's really nice. I kind of--I thought it would--you know, I've heard the stories, but I feel--I f--I feel differently. I feel like it's a real badge of honor that you're...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...and you've got no more excuses and you're your own man and it's...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...you're responsible for everything you do...

WINFREY: Do you feel like pla...

Mr. PITT: ...and you can't blame it on anyone else. None of that.

WINFREY: Do you feel like playtime is over? Do you feel...

Mr. PITT: No, I feel like playtime's kind of begun.

WINFREY: Yeah. Really?

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: Oh, listen, as you know, 'cause Brad was at my birthday party.

Mr. PITT: Yes, I was.

WINFREY: He was at my birthday party.

Mr. PITT: Oprah's...

WINFREY: Hey, hey, hey.

Mr. PITT: It was swank.

WINFREY: It was--it was a...

Mr. PITT: It was a swank night.

WINFREY: Wasn't it?

Mr. PITT: It was great. Oh, it was great.

WINFREY: Yeah. W--and the Bellowses who did that party for me, wasn't that extrao--I was...

Mr. PITT: It was beautiful.

WINFREY: Extraordinary.

Mr. PITT: It was really extraordinary affair...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...and--and wonderful people. Sat next to Diane Sawyer.

WINFREY: Oh, it was fun--fun night.

Mr. PITT: Met Martin Luther King's family and I didn't get to meet Stedman. I wanted to meet Stedman...

WINFREY: Oh, well, hey...

Mr. PITT: ...'cause you know what they say?

WINFREY: How did that happen?

Mr. PITT: Behind a great woman and--no.

WINFREY: No, but I was going to say...

Mr. PITT: Wait, wait. No, no, no.

WINFREY: OK. What?

Mr. PITT: 'Cause I did--I did have a run-in with Stedman.

WINFREY: You had a run-in.

Mr. PITT: I didn't get to meet him. I had a run-in. We were on the dance floor. Jen and I were having a little--having a little cuddle. It was great. Before--you know, a little dance. And I got my arm on her back, and all of a sudden my hand gets crushed, and I look up and someone's jamming their boutoir into my hand, and I look up and it's Stedman. And I go, `My God, does he not have feeling back there or what?' It's true. It's true.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: So I didn't get to meet him, but he's got a firm ass. It was nice. It was nice. I tell you something else.

WINFREY: What? What?

Mr. PITT: Stedman's got some moves.

WINFREY: He's got a couple moves.

Mr. PITT: Can I do one?

WINFREY: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Mr. PITT: Stedman kind of--kind of does one of these.

WINFREY: That is a Stedman move. That really is a Stedman move. Like I said, it was a fun party.

Mr. PITT: Yeah, it was a fun party.

WINFREY: It was a--it was a fun party.

Mr. PITT: Stedman's got some moves.

WINFREY: He does have a couple of--and you can tell a lot about a man by the way he moves.

Mr. PITT: Can you?

WINFREY: Have you seen these guys on the dance floor doing all that? I want to go, `I feel sorry for you, honey.'

Mr. PITT: Boy, I...

WINFREY: Anyway, you know I adore your wife. I adore her. I have such respect for her--Jen. And--and I read this Vanity Fair article--I think it's coming out really soon, the Vanity Fair art...

Mr. PITT: OK.

WINFREY: They did a great job.

Mr. PITT: OK.

WINFREY: Great job, Vanity Fair, and in that article, you said about her that she is the--the--the--she...

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Mr. PITT: Yeah, what happened?

WINFREY: ...there's a cover of Vanity Fair--that she is like--her emphasis is the home. This is a quote.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: You said, "Friends and family, we all crowd around her like moths to the flame."

Mr. PITT: Yeah, she's--she's very--she's one of the warmest people I meet and we all--we do...

WINFREY: You say she's a magnet, she's the fire.

Mr. PITT: ...we do all crowd around her. She's like that--that fire we all crowd around for warmth.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: And she's--no, I'm not--this is--this is genuine. It's truly genuine. She's--there's not an ill-intentioned bone in this woman's body. She's really--she's really extraordinary that way and she has taught me a lot that way.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: Yeah. She brings people together.

WINFREY: Well, I just saw her the other day at the Bel-Air Hotel, we're talking about, you know, "Friends" is ending and all that.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: OK. So let's roll just a little bit of that.

(Excerpt from videotape)

WINFREY: You know your husband's going to be on. I have to interview him next week.

Ms. JENNIFER ANISTON: I know.

WINFREY: Did you know that?

Ms. ANISTON: I'm so jealous I can't be in Chicago and be there.

WINFREY: So what should I ask him?

Ms. ANISTON: Oh, anything you possibly can.

WINFREY: Have you seen the movie? Have you s...

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Ms. ANISTON: I have.

WINFREY: And?

Ms. ANISTON: It's fantastic. It's exquisite. It's epic. It's huge and he's the bad ass.

WINFREY: You--you look in the camera and say something to him for me.

Ms. ANISTON: Huh?

WINFREY: You want to say som--'cause we're going to air this when he's on.

Ms. ANISTON: Oh, you are?

WINFREY: Yeah.

Ms. ANISTON: Where? Which camera?

WINFREY: That one right there.

Ms. ANISTON: Hi, baby, I love you.

(End of excerpt)

WINFREY: Yeah, baby.

Mr. PITT: Hi, baby. Hi, baby.

WINFREY: We'll be right back. Coming up, you see it first, Brad's sexy love scene from "Troy" that will have a lot of people talking. Plus, Brad on Jen, babies and the press.

(Announcements)

WINFREY: Brad Pitt's new epic film is what we're talking about, "Troy." It's one of the most anticipated movies of the year. Brad trained for a year to get into perfect shape to play the greatest warrior of all times.

Mr. PITT: Six months.

WINFREY: OK. Six months, OK? Brad chained...

Mr. PITT: Two years.

WINFREY: ...trained for a while. For a while, he trained.

OK. And we're going to see Brad's favorite scene. Let's go. Roll it.

(Excerpt from "Troy")

WINFREY: Whoa.

Mr. PITT: Yeah, it really was.

WINFREY: Now, I mean, one of the greats...

Mr. PITT: I just want to say...

WINFREY: ...of our time.

Mr. PITT: Thank you.

WINFREY: One of the greats of our time.

Mr. PITT: One of the greats of our time. That was Mr. Peter O'Toole.

WINFREY: One of the--Peter O'Toole, one of the greats of our time. One of the greats of our time. So...

Mr. PITT: So that--that scene was certainly a highlight in my--in my--I don't know--14 years or however...

WINFREY: Yeah...

Mr. PITT: ...long I've been...

WINFREY: ...of your career. Yeah.

Mr. PITT: Yeah, and to--having d...

WINFREY: Well, first of all, it would be a highlight on--in--in--in the script, and then when the actual moment comes...

Mr. PITT: And it's Peter O'Toole.

WINFREY: ...and it's Peter O'Toole...

Mr. PITT: Yeah. Yeah.

WINFREY: ...and you--and you pull it off that way...

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: ...it's extraordinary.

Mr. PITT: Yeah. Yeah.

WINFREY: Extraordinary. And I heard that Peter O'Toole said that you were a real scoundrel.

Mr. PITT: I don't know. This...

WINFREY: He's quoted--he--listen to this funny quote.

Mr. PITT: Is that right?

WINFREY: It's something. OK. He says, "He's a scoundrel. He led me, his elderly colleague, astray more than once."

Mr. PITT: Ooh, that is--that is not true. All--I went to meet him at 4:00 in the afternoon. I had to leave at 4:00 AM, 12 hours later, because Peter was still going very--he was going strong.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: And I--the kid had to get some sleep.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: Really. Yeah.

WINFREY: OK. This was a grueling schedule. It looks like...

Mr. PITT: Yeah, it was...

WINFREY: ...this would be a grueling schedule.

Mr. PITT: It was, and it was 100-degree weather, you know, 14-hour days on the sand. You couldn't find shade anywhere.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: And every now and then you'd see a grip--a big 240-pound grip holding a light and you'd just see him go (wobbles)...

WINFREY: Really? Really?

Mr. PITT: ...and just do a header. Yeah, we had...

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: ...we had--we had heat stroke and...

WINFREY: Because those shields and all those...

Mr. PITT: ...everyone went down and...


WINFREY: ...that--that costuming can't be comfortable.

Mr. PITT: Actually, it wasn't bad.

WINFREY: Wasn't bad?

Mr. PITT: No.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: No.

WINFREY: It looks heavy and uncomfortable.

Mr. PITT: Yeah. But that skirt's got...

WINFREY: A little breeze going.

Mr. PITT: ...a little breeze.

WINFREY: OK. So the love scenes. The love scenes.

Mr. PITT: Oh, yeah.

WINFREY: Now you're talking about Stedman's buns. I have to say...

Mr. PITT: Yeah, Jen...

WINFREY: ...the--that was--that--you--g...

Mr. PITT: That--that--that...

WINFREY: That looked like a really tight behind.

Mr. PITT: All right. All right.

WINFREY: Yeah. And so how do you--how do you get that to happen 'cause I--I want to work on mine this summer?

Mr. PITT: I don't know. I was trying...

WINFREY: I want to know--this is what I was thinking. I was thinking you could write a book right now called "Brad's Hard Butt," and you could sell a million copies. We would all be out. Just tell us what you did and we'd say, `We want to do whatever that is.'

Mr. PITT: No, no, no. There is some truth to that.

WINFREY: What is the truth?

Mr. PITT: I was--I was--I was--was working out very hard. I was try--I was wearing a skirt. I was trying to get--I was trying to put muscle on my legs, and for some reason, my ass just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger while my legs just kind of went...

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: Yeah, I don't know what I was doing.

WINFREY: Oh, we...

Mr. PITT: All right. That's enough about...

WINFREY: OK. But getting into shape. As I said, Brad has some very sexy love scenes in "Troy." In order to show you this one on TV, we have to take out a couple of the shots, but our audience is seeing the uncut version. So...

Mr. PITT: All right.

(Excerpt from "Troy")

WINFREY: I know that's embarrassing. Is that embarrassing?

Mr. PITT: Well, no, there's a--it's just--it's distracting, 'cause there's a really good movie there. It's...

WINFREY: Well, you know, lots of people go for different reasons. No, it is. I mean, we all agree. You got a standing ovation here. It's an extraordin--she just said, `It's a good movie and that made it better.'

Mr. PITT: OK. Apparently...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...you know, these Greeks, they were naked all the time.

WINFREY: Yeah. Mr. PITT: And they're just...

WINFREY: And the Greeks partied a lot, too.

Mr. PITT: And they--yeah. Yeah, they liked to party.

WINFREY: Yeah, you come out of the tent, you're drinking wine early in the morning.

Mr. PITT: Yeah, you're...

WINFREY: Pretty good.

Mr. PITT: ...catching the breeze.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: You're...

WINFREY: Even in the early scenes when the women first came out dancing and I think--yeah, yeah, yeah. The Greek kings says, `You know, we must, you know, go to war and keep our women...'

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: `...and then maybe keep the women in our beds.'

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: And I thought--I thought, `You know, my God, to be a woman at that time, and that's your only role is just to...'

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: `...dance around a little bit...'

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: `...for some little--you know, that thing and, you know...'

Mr. PITT: You would have had a field day.

WINFREY: I would have--oh, man.

Mr. PITT: You would have had it.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: You would have kicked some ass.

WINFREY: Would I?

Mr. PITT: Yeah. Yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah. So--yeah.

Mr. PITT: Yeah. Yeah.

WINFREY: Rarely a week goes by, you know, where you and Jennifer are not in the tabloids. Just--I mean, it's, you know--and when you're on, I go, `Oh, this is good. That means I don't have to be on there. That's good.'

Mr. PITT: Yeah, that's what I was--I was...

WINFREY: Yeah, when you see other people on, it's...

Mr. PITT: Please, bring Ben and J. Lo back.

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: Please. Please.

WINFREY: And you've lived it forever. And I--you know, when I--I was just at the Bel-Air with Jen, 'cause we were doing the last interview about "Friends," and I swear I watched her go to get in the car, and these paparazzi guys were, like, on the...

Mr. PITT: In three cars behind and go (makes swerving motion).

WINFREY: They're three cars behind--there all...

Mr. PITT: Yeah. Yeah.

WINFREY: ...I've never seen anything like that still to this day.

Mr. PITT: It...

WINFREY: Do you sometimes feel like a prisoner in your own home?

Mr. PITT: No, we kind of--we get quite used to it really...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ..I mean, just like varmints in the yard.

WINFREY: Varmints in the yard.

Mr. PITT: And--and--and they're outside, and we know when we leave the house that, you know, we--we're either going to drag them across town or--or we're going...

WINFREY: Uh-huh, and that's every time?

Mr. PITT: ...to lose them.

WINFREY: That's every time you go anywhere?

Mr. PITT: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah. And what really ticks you off about it, the whole tabloid thing?

Mr. PITT: I guess the--the--the sensationalism...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...the speculation...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...the constant--the speculation as fact, the rumor as fact. Really...

WINFREY: Yeah.

Mr. PITT: ...it drives me a bit--it used to drive me more crazy. Now I just... WINFREY: Yeah, but don't you realize everybody...

Mr. PITT: We--we turn our backs on it.

WINFREY: ...gets a theme? Like, my theme has been weight and marriage. And so whatever your theme is, whatever they decide...

Mr. PITT: That's right. That's right.

WINFREY: (Singing) ...weight and marriage.

Mr. PITT: (Singing) ...and marriage.

WINFREY and Mr. PITT: (Singing) Weight and marriage.

WINFREY: And they wear that out...


Mr. PITT: (Singing) Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

WINFREY: ...you know, and so yours...

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: ...yours--you all are the--the--the--the--the--the poster children...

Mr. PITT: Well, Jen got weight for a while and then we're--we're--we're coupledom, yeah.

WINFREY: Yeah, you're coupledom.

Mr. PITT: Yeah.

WINFREY: You're the poster...

Mr. PITT: You're right.

WINFREY: ...couple for marriage and all of that.

Mr. PITT: Come on, Ben.

WINFREY: Come on back, Ben. Yes. Yeah. What do you--what's going do happen when you have babies 'cause, you know, when I was talking to Jen recently, she said that when "Friends" was over, she was going to go home and work on that baby thing?

Mr. PITT: We just can't dodge that question, can we?

WINFREY: No, you can't.

Mr. PITT: We cannot dodge that question.

WINFREY: You can't get away from it. No, you can't. But--but--but...

Mr. PITT: OK. We're still in negotiations. We're s--we're still in rehearsals. It's going very well and--and I am--I am excited about the future.

WINFREY: Yeah. That's great. I read...

Mr. PITT: I'm really looking forward to it. I finally feel like I've got my stuff together where I'm ready for that.

WINFREY: Really?

Mr. PITT: Yeah. WINFREY: And I--I read--I don't know if it's true...

Mr. PITT: I'd be good at it.

WINFREY: ...but I read that you would like--you would love--you would love having all girls.

Mr. PITT: I like girls. You know, I don't mean ...(unintelligible). Yeah. You know, I just--yeah.

WINFREY: That's so nice.

Mr. PITT: Little hers.

WINFREY: Little hers. Little hers.

Mr. PITT: Yeah. It's my dream.

WINFREY: Your--your dream. We'll be right back. Coming up, more on marriage and their new dream mansion.

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